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List (Unformatted): USENET MAC DIGEST V4 #68


Usenet Mac Digest     Friday, May 27, 1988           Volume 4 : Issue 68

Today's Topics:
     FullWrite Bug and Patch
     Re: Initialization Page
     Hooking up an HP 7585B plotter to a Mac
     Re: Mac on airplanes
     SE to Mac II floppy - More info
     Re: Brief overview of FullWrite (Re
     Re: Statistical Packages
     tax on mac
     How can you extend and add on to AppleTalk networks?
     TOPS on a Sun
     Apple II Emulation on Mac II
     Are there any color printer drivers?
     Re: Statistical Packages
     Re: tax on mac
     Re: Math Word Processing
     Re: REsolved: "There is nothing to choose" trouble
     Re: How can you extend and add on to AppleTalk networks?
     Re: REsolved: "There is nothing to choose" trouble
     Re: New LAYO
     Speed of Redraw in Drawing programs
     SuperMac XP150 drive ??
     Re: New LAYO
     Re: Mac on airplanes
     Getting means and standard deviations out of CricketGraph
     Re: SuperMac XP150 drive ??
     Re: How can you extend and add on to AppleTalk networks?
     Re: Anyone using pcl (clos) under Allegro Common Lisp?
     MPW has trouble with L O N G lines
     LightspeedC license

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: FullWrite Bug and Patch
Date: 20 May 88 00:20:42 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley

When printing to a LaserWriter, FWP includes its own PostScript procset.
While it works fine with a real LaserWriter on an AppleTalk network, if
the printing is done through software that is sensitive to Adobe's
document structuring convention (such as the CAP printer software), it
fails.  This is because the procset looks something like this:

        %%BeginProcSet (FullWriteProcSet) 1.0 1
        . . .
        %% End of FullWrite ProcSet

Not having a matching %%EndProcSet command violates the structuring
conventions.

To fix this, go into ResEdit and open (a copy of) FullWrite.  Open
resource PREC, id = 103.  Edit the last line from

        %% End of FullWrite ProcSet

to

        %%EndProcSet for FullWrite

(I left a space at the end of the line so that the modified PREC
resource would have the same length.)

For even stricter compliance, the last line should be just %%EndProcSet,
and the %%BeginProcSet line should contain a colon after %%BeginProcSet.
--
Edward Moy
Workstation Software Support Group
University of California
Berkeley, CA  94720

[e-mail]
ucbvax!violet!edmoy


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From: [e-mail] (J. Chris Cooley)
Subject: Re: Initialization Page
Date: 19 May 88 20:33:08 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas

> I have heard there is a way to keep the LaserWriter (and LW Plus?) from
> printing out its initialization page when you first turn it on.
> I heard this tip was given in Macworld June 87. (Which I don't have access

Your sources were correct.  The June 1987 issue of MacWorld details the
way to do it.  Because things were brain damaged back then, they tell
you to hook MacTerminal to the LW and type the postscript code directly
into the device.  That may be well for some, but with the advent of
postscript downloaders, this hassle is rendered obsolete.

My favorite is "SendPS 1.21" by Adobe (available on
sumex-aim.stanford.edu in the info-mac directory).  There's also
"Postscript Tool" by Helicon Designs, but it's not as good for
downloading PS code--you have to type the CTRL-D yourself after it ships
the code to the LW.

Below are postscript code hacks I did (which were approved by our PS
person here).  Save each of these into text files and ship them to the
laserwriter using a PS downloader.  Don't "Print" from a word processor
unless you change the font to PS Escape (if you have it and have read
its documentation).

There's no immediate effect, but the next time you turn the LW on, it
won't be wasting that extra sheet and bit of toner.  The "startuppage
on" file is included in case someone is collecting those sheets for
usage records (or if you want to see the page every now and then).

        ------------beginning of "startuppage on" --------------
        %!PS-Adobe-1.0
        serverdict begin 0 exitserver
        statusdict begin true setdostartpage end
        ----------------------end of file-------------------------


        ------------beginning of "startuppage off" --------------
        %!PS-Adobe-1.0
        serverdict begin 0 exitserver
        statusdict begin false setdostartpage end
        ----------------------end of file-------------------------

> thanks,
You're welcome.

> Greg Sorensen
--
J. Chris Cooley
Univ. of Texas Comp. Center
Austin, TX  78712
512/471-3241 x229

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From: [e-mail] (David Vangerov)
Subject: Hooking up an HP 7585B plotter to a Mac
Date: 20 May 88 03:20:19 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz; CATS

I'm told that this is possible, but I haven't been able to find out how
to do this.

We have an HP 7585B plotter (otherwise known as a Big-Bertha plotter) in
the lab that I work. In this same lab we also have a bunch of
micro-computers (IBM's and Mac's). We have had no trouble hooking up the
IBM's to the plotter. What I want to do is hookup the Macs (or at least
one of them, probably the Mac II) to the plotter as well. Now I know
that this can be done since I've seen it be done and heard of it as
well. What I want to know is how do I do this? According to HP they
don't have a generic driver for the plotter and that software you use
should come with a driver for it. So what I really want to know is what
software packages out there support a plotter, specifically the HP
7585B. I want some software like MacDraw or MacDraft (or something along
those lines).

Mail me your replies and I'll summarize for the net if there is enough
interest in this...

Thanks a bunch...
--
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From: [e-mail] (Miles Kehoe)
Subject: Re: Mac on airplanes
Date: 19 May 88 17:57:07 GMT
Organization: HP Technology Access Center, Cupertino, CA

Concerning Macs on airplanes.... (or any other portable) some airports
are beginning to want to see that your computer works before they allow
you thru security. I guess the premise is 'If the thing works, there
can't be a bomb planted in it'. I only meniton this because on a recent
trip, I decided to bring along a Compaq at the last minute and, as
usual, I tossed the power cable into my suitcase which I checked at the
counter. By the time I got to security, I was not able to boot up my
system and prove it to be a computer, so I had to argue with the
security manager and finally open the darn thing up to let him
'visually' inspect it before I could go thru. So... no matter what... if
you carry it along, bring it's power cable too!

(I know... my Mac case has room for everything too.. just wanted to toss
in the caveat, since not many airports have the right tools to open a
mac)

Miles


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From: [e-mail] (Phil Hunt)
Subject: SE to Mac II floppy - More info
Date: 20 May 88 17:32:45 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

I today called an Apple dealer who told me the Apple part number for a
replacement internal Mac II floppy and an external SE floppy (The 'guts'
of the external, the drive itself) are identical!

Is there a wire to cut?  A jumper to change? Anything???

Why can't you take a MacSE external drive and rehouse it and use it in a
MacII.  It doesn't make sense.  They are the same part number...

Argggghhhhh!!!!

Any knowledge on this subject or if someone was successful doing this
would be appreciated.
--
Phil Hunt
603-884-4820



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From: [e-mail] (David O'Rourke)
Subject: Re: Brief overview of FullWrite (Re
Date: 20 May 88 07:23:49 GMT
Organization: Cal Poly State University -- San Luis Obispo

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Chuq Von Rospach) writes:
>I think this is being overly harsh.

  I apologize. SORRY.  But to call WYSIWYG a failure was originally a
little harh also.  Anyway I was out of line and I apologize.

>hardcore writer who types 100WPM or so. And when I'm writing, I dont' want
> continues with a good argument for why WYSIWYG might not be desirerable.

  I have a couple of things to say about that.

  1) You're right!  Motorola we need 350 mhz 68060's like NOW!!!!!!!!!!!
 Then
     things might go fast.

  2) You also suggested that you be able to turn off the repagination.
Funny
     you should mention that, I sent a *LONG* bug report to Ann Arbor
and also
     suggested that they make the automatic updating optional.  You
think
     a page break is bad, try using an index.  I added a page and it
took
     three min. to "Update the Document", well I have my autosave set
for
     2 min., so FWP would "Update the Document", and it would save,
causing
     it to again "Update the Document", then it would save.  Any
Computer
     Science people recognize this loop?
     You can turn off the re-calculation in a spreadsheet to speed data
     entry, why not a word processor.  If word 4.0 is going to win my
     aproval over FWP, then one of the many things it needs to have is a
     optional auto update feature.

  3) If you're **REALLY** interested it just getting the D*MN words in
then
     I suggest that you use a text editor.  I sympathise with your
complaints
     and if I really just want to blaze on the keyboard I use a text
editor
     than does almost NO formatting, then read it into the WP of my
choice.
     Bit of a hack, but it works, and I don't lose my train of thought.

  Thankyou for your comments, and again I apologize.


--
David M. O'Rourke

Disclaimer: I don't represent the school.  All opinions are mine!


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From: [e-mail] (Robert G. Trevor)
Subject: Re: Statistical Packages
Date: 20 May 88 13:28:57 GMT
Organization: Princeton University, NJ

In article <[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] (Todd Heatherton) writes:

>
>
>Does anyone know of a powerful statistics program for the Mac, which
>also conforms to the Mac interface.  I know that Statview 512+ is a

I have Beta version of RATS for the Macintosh.  Although a little buggy,
especially if you want to use the built in compiler, its a very powerful
and useful package.  They are working hard to remove remaining bugs -
you can get beta now with free upgrade to commercially relaesed version,
or wait for finished version.  Tech support is good (they sent me new
beta when I found bugs in previous version), and the built-in procedures
are very robust. RATS has a good name amongst
economists/econometricians, and is available in mainframe, IBM-PC
versions as well as source licence for M68020 work-station systems.
Main draw-back commercially is the user-interface (it shows its
bloodline);  then that shouldn't worry people who are using high-powered
stats routines anyway. Facilities are mainly for linear models (although
has some non-linear routines and they are adding more);  they include
time series (time and frequency domain), forecasting (static/dynamic,
deterministic/stochastic), multiple regression, 2SLS, 3SLS, SUR, NLLS,
logit, probit, Kalman filter, a (presently buggy) structured programming
language (including matrix language) and much more. (+ BBS for new
procedures) If this sounds like a rave - it is.  I make my living from
using such packages.  RATS is one of the best.  Only GAUSS beats it, but
(SIGH) thats not yet available for the MAC.  (They claim the're about to
hire a programmer to start porting it, and that it will be available in
the Fall - pigs can fly too.) Contact: VAR Econometrics
         PO Box 1818
         Evanston, IL  60204-1818
         Ph:  [phone]
--
Rob Trevor
MaBell: [phone]
Bitnet: 6029334@PUCC
UseNet: [e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (Brian Wong)
Subject: tax on mac
Date: 20 May 88 17:20:15 GMT
Organization: U. of Alberta, Edmonton, AB

i like to bring a mac to usa (LA to be exact) from canada. when i
return, i might leave the mac to my brother. will the custom tax me? how
much? anybody has opinion / experience on this?

brian


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From: [e-mail] (Mike McCann)
Subject: How can you extend and add on to AppleTalk networks?
Date: 20 May 88 21:08:12 GMT
Organization: Clemson University, Clemson, SC

How can I extend an AppleTalk network so that it is longer than 1000
feet?  I also want to put more than 32 devices on the network, can this
be done?  If you have any suggestions, please send them to me along with
company names, addresses and phone numbers for the hardware I need.

Thanks,
--
Mike McCann                        Internet = [e-mail]
Poole Computer Center (Box P-11)       UUCP = hubcap!mmccann
Clemson University                   Bitnet = [e-mail]
Clemson, S.C. 29634


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From: [e-mail] (A. Gregory Sorensen)
Subject: TOPS on a Sun
Date: 20 May 88 23:15:52 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

Another question from the neophyte:

Our lab has a MacII next to a Sun4...and we're interested in getting
them to share data in just a crude way -- copying files from one to the
other, sharing a printer -- no heavy duty network database application
or anything.  We figure TOPS would be the logical choice, as Sun makes
it...so...

Anyone with *experience* with this stuff?  Is it worth it?  Better
options? Which port on the back of the Sun?  And other relevant answers
would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Greg Sorensen


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From: [e-mail] (Thomas Summerall)
Subject: Apple II Emulation on Mac II
Date: 20 May 88 07:01:17 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

Why hasn't someone written an Apple II or IIgs emulator for the Mac II?
I have seen one for the Mac that was compatible enough with the Apple II
to run Choplifter.  It had two problems: speed, memory,  and lack of
color.  It seems like such an emulator on the Mac II would solve all of
those problems.  This would give Mac II owners access to software like
color games that are so chronically lacking.

I was always amazed at the quality of game programs that came out for
the II series considering the limited and obscurely-implemented graphics
that were available before the gs.  It seems that current game software
for the Macs are just scratching the surface of the abilities of the
machines, while the games for the II, like Choplifter or Dino Eggs,
squeezed out every possible effect...Only Dark Castle can compare to
some of the better Apple II games.

So, it seems like such an emulation program would make quite a bit of
money if someone were willing to put in the time.  (If only I had the
time and skill...)
--
==============================================================================
                                 Thomas Summerall
                           H.B. 3445 -- Dartmouth College
                                 Hanover, NH 03755
                            [e-mail]
==============================================================================


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Are there any color printer drivers?
Date: 19 May 88 23:38:43 GMT
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department


   We would like to print color from our Mac IIs. Are there any device
drivers in existence? Printers of interest are a Calcomp Plotmaster,
Xerox 4020 (or whatever their color printer is numbered), and an Okimate
20.
   Thanks for any information.

   Willard Korfhage

   ARPA : [e-mail]
   UUCP : {ucbvax,ihnp4,randvax,trwrb!trwspp,ism780}!ucla-cs!korfhage


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From: [e-mail] (0040;0000009857;0;327;142;)
Subject: Re: Statistical Packages
Date: 21 May 88 02:48:28 GMT
Organization: University of California, Davis

The current version of Systat is impressive.  Still only 'user-cordial'
to use Wilkenson's own phrase, but much improved over 2.x (up to 3.1
now).

I also use StatView and like its interface much better.

Systat is a citable, professional tool.  Yes I've earned a few dollars
reporting bugs (one stat, one trivial) in it, but I liked the rapid
feedback Wilkenson gave.

For anova, there's some non-commercial stuff- GANOVA, from UCLA, comes
to mind. The MGLH program in systat is still limited by it's memory
allocation to  small designs when unequal-n repeated measures & such are
set up.  Sigh- the regression approximation used in GANOVA works much
better in those cases.

good luck.
--
Ron Goldthwaite / UC Davis, Psychology and Animal Behavior
'Economics is a branch of ethics, pretending to be a science;
 ethology is a science, pretending relevance to ethics.'


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From: [e-mail] (Olwen Wee)
Subject: Re: tax on mac
Date: 21 May 88 14:35:16 GMT
Organization: UF CIS Department

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Brian Wong) writes:
>i like to bring a mac to usa (LA to be exact) from canada.
>when i return, i might leave the mac to my brother.
>will the custom tax me?

I have brought a mac from Singapore, and there was no problem, basically
because the mac is made in the US.  If you had brought in an apple, it
would be a different case. -- Olwen Wee


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From: [e-mail] (Dennis Cohen)
Subject: Re: Math Word Processing
Date: 20 May 88 17:57:52 GMT
Organization: Ashton Tate Development Center Glendale Cal.

In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Alan Day) writes:
>       (1) multiple (adjustable?) levels of sub- and super-scripts. The
> adjustment might be necessary if the default settings are not
> correct as in Word. (Anyone know how to FEdit these values for
> Word? The workarounds that I know are very time consuming and
> unnatural.)
FullWrite already seems to provide this capability by allowing you to
raise or lower selected text in 1 pixel increments.  While this probably
doesn't satisfy the request in all its generality, it would seem that it
answers the majority of those requests.

>
>       (2) Intuitive CHARACTER overstrike capability (LaserAuthor used
> COMMAND-backspace between the characters). This would allow writing
> e.g. NOT less than, and x sub i super j in paragraph text easily.
While a more intuitive approach is definitely needed, the same result
can be achieved in FullWrite by using the kerning control that is
provided.  While the more common case needs a better metaphor, this does
provide extra flexibility.

>
>       (3) a general wish would be macros and command-key assignment
> (which means the programme must not gobble up all possible
> assignments for obscure power user capabilities. Are you listening
> Word?)
I use QuicKeys for this sort of thing and never actually desired much in
the way of macros beyond what it provides.  Since QK overrides the
program's use, it is seldom a problem.
>
> Does anyone know of a WP package with these minor :-) abilities?
>

As you see from the above, FullWrite Professional does a pretty fair job
of meeting your requests (although it is not necessarily obvious that
the capa- bility is present) and the addition of QuicKeys makes it a
very well-rounded environment.
--
Dennis Cohen
Ashton-Tate Macintosh Division
dBASE Mac Development Team
--------------------------
Disclaimer:  Opinions expressed above are those of the author.


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From: [e-mail] (David O'Rourke)
Subject: Re: REsolved: "There is nothing to choose" trouble
Date: 21 May 88 07:52:38 GMT
Organization: Cal Poly State University -- San Luis Obispo

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Dave Waller)
writes:
>There should be a file in your system folder similar to the notepad file that
>contains information about what you have chosen with the chooser. This is why
>replacing all the laserwriter stuff and the system and finder doesn't seem
>to help-- the file that contains chooser specific stuff is still there! If
>you blow this file away, things should be alright. Note also that this file
>may be invisible, so you will need ResEdit or something like that to
>manipulate it.

  Well Apple's Documenation was no help what so ever in this case.  I
had to look it up in "Macintosh Programming Secrets" by Scott Knaster.
The chooser does not manipulate a file, but it changes a resource in the
system file. 'STR ' -8192 will contain the name of the currently
selected printer.  After retrieving that name from the string you can
then open the file of the same name and rumage around inside it to find
out additional information about the printer.  Mr. Knaster gives a very
good description of how to do this and I recommend the book highly.
  The nothing to choose problem might result if the choose is smart
enough to look and see if the system file is locked, hence not allowing
any modifications to be made.  Since it has to store the current printer
name in the system file, if it is locked it can't do this, so it might
give up with the error message you saw.
  Hope this helps!!!

--
David M. O'Rourke

Disclaimer: I don't represent the school.  All opinions are mine!


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From: [e-mail] (David O'Rourke)
Subject: Re: How can you extend and add on to AppleTalk networks?
Date: 21 May 88 09:29:01 GMT
Organization: Cal Poly State University -- San Luis Obispo

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Mike McCann) writes:
>How can I extend an AppleTalk network so that it is longer than 1000
>feet?

    I have not used it.  But I've heard good things about the Tops
repeater from Tops.  It boosts the signal so that it can travel farther.
 {Anybody who  has a better description is welcome to clean up my
description}.  I don't know cost, or distribution, but I do remember
some net mail about it 6 months ago.  Seems everyone liked it pretty
well.
    The other option is switching to phone net connector and standard
telephone wire.  They claim 3000 feet before needing a repeater.

>I also want to put more than 32 devices on the network, can this
>be done?

    Yes and No.  It is possible to put more than 32 nodes on an
Appletalk network, but due to the limited bandwidth and the way
Appletalk works the performance starts degrading significantly after
that point {I've found this to be true after only 20}.  But Apple Does
have a solution.  Appletalk supports Zones, this allows you to break up
your network into "sections" of smaller sub networks, they can still
commuicate with each other, but each zone's local traffic doesn't
interfere with other zones local traffic.  Shiva and Hayes both make an
AppleTalk bridge which is what's required to do this.  I also seem to
remember Tops offering a bridge also, but I'm not as sure as I am about
Shiva and Hayes.
     Breaking Large AppleTalk networks into zones makes good
administrative sence, support easier, and increases the local
performance of both networks. I would look into setting up Zones, rather
than triing to make one large network.  It also makes it easier to add
nodes in the future because each  zone has the full number of nodes
possible, and you can have Lots of different zones if you're willing to
shell out the bucks for the bridges.  AppleTalk allows 2^16 zones, I
doubt anyone would really want to test that limit, but you get the idea,
4 or 5 zones wouldn't be that hard to come up with, and Appletalk can
definatly handle it.
     Hope this helps, any questions can be sent to me directly, or via
net news.

--
David M. O'Rourke

Disclaimer: I don't represent the school.  All opinions are mine!


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From: [e-mail] (Christopher Chow)
Subject: Re: REsolved: "There is nothing to choose" trouble
Date: 21 May 88 20:09:50 GMT
Organization: Cornell Theory Center, Cornell University, Ithaca NY

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (David O'Rourke)
writes:

>The chooser
>does not manipulate a file, but it changes a resource in the system file.
>'STR ' -8192 will contain the name of the currently selected printer.  After


I hope this feature is fixed in a later system distribution:  Having the
choose change the system file is bad -- if you choose a different
printer then the system file is has been modified, which means that the
next time you do a hard disk backup the system file needs to be backed
up.  A stripped down system is still a big file!

Christopher Chow
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From: [e-mail] (David Gelphman)
Subject: Re: New LAYO
Date: 21 May 88 21:29:42 GMT
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail]
(Pierce T. Wetter) writes:
>
...
>change it by hand. SURPRISE, there's some new bits/fields. For instance,
>there's now, sort style, color style, and max # of windows. What gives?
>   What do the new fields do?
>Pierce WEtter
>
>P.S. I really need to know this, especially color style as all of my icons have

>changed to solid black.

     I played around with ResEdit 1.2d1 which shows you the extra bits
in the LAYO resource of the Finder. I found that there is a new bit
which is labelled 'Title Click'. It is set to 0 by default. If you set
it to 1, then you can double click in the title bar of any FINDER window
and the folder directly above it in the disk hierarchy will be opened
and brought to the front. If that folder is already open, its window
will be brought to the front.
   The Max # of windows evidently allows you to up the maximum number of
windows the finder will allow you to have open at once. (seems obvious)
    As far as Color Style, I haven't played much with that but did find
that setting it to 1 (default is zero) made all the folders and icons
black.
    The extra bits are labelled: Use Phys Icon Title Click Copy Inherit
New Fold Inherit

Ideas as to the rest of these?
--
David Gelphman
Adobe Systems, Inc.


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From: [e-mail] (Tom Carstensen)
Subject: Speed of Redraw in Drawing programs
Date: 19 May 88 20:06:01 GMT
Organization: Mentor Graphics Corporation, Beaverton Oregon

Well, I've had a chance to test most of the commercially available
drawing software programs for the Mac, to see if any are better for
drawing electronic schematics than MacDraw.  Basically, NO.

MacDraw far out runs the other drawing program I test in terms of speed
of redrawing a drawing.  With schematics, and the like, there are
usually thousands of objects to draw.  MacDraw is somewhat slow at
redrawing them, but all of the other drawing programs are slower.
Here's my summary:

    Aldus FreeHand      Great drawing program, still slower
    Canvas              VERY VERY VERY Slow !!!
    Cricket Draw        Decent drawing program, but somewhat
                        slower on the redraw
    SuperPaint          It was slower, and not really suited
                        to drawing schematic diagrams

If MacDraw beats all of these in speed, and MacDraw II it supposed to be
many, many times faster the MacDraw, it looks like MacDraw II could be
an awesome program!

MacDraw, which has been around from the beginning, still outruns the
latest and greatest drawing programs in speed !!
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From: [e-mail] (Ray Terry)
Subject: SuperMac XP150 drive ??
Date: 22 May 88 01:41:47 GMT
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino


Does anyone out there has signficant experience with (therefore a
reaction to the new(er) SuperMac XP150 (external hard disk drive)).  I
hear that it is good, fast, but expensive.

I'd be interested in hearing from anyone with that can tell me about
their actual experience in using the drive...  I'm currently using the
old DataFrame 20 and the newer XP60 (on a Mac Plus w/2.5 meg) had have
found both to be  pretty solid with only fair support from SuperMac.

Any and all comments are welcome.  As usually, I summarize and post a
reply at a later date.

Thanks.
--
Ray Terry
[e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (Alan Mimms)
Subject: Re: New LAYO
Date: 22 May 88 20:07:52 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc, Cupertino, CA

In fiddling around, I discovered that the "Use Phys Icon" bit makes the
icon for the floppies on SEs be a picture of an SE with an arrow
pointing to the drive floppy is mounted in.

I haven't tried asking the folks who wrote the code.  (Perhaps someone
in Apple would do so and post the results?)  Consequently, I am not an
authority to be trusted.  This information is NOT coming from Apple
Computer, it's coming from ME.  (Is that enough disclaimer?)

alan

--
Alan Mimms                      My opinions are generally
Communications Products Group   pretty worthless, but
Apple Computer                  they *are* my own...
...it's so simple that only a child can do it!  -- Tom Lehrer, "New Math"


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From: [e-mail] (Clive Steward)
Subject: Re: Mac on airplanes
Date: 13 May 88 01:42:49 GMT
Organization: resident visitor

>From article <[e-mail]>, by [e-mail]:
>
> The Mac will fit with plenty of room under the seats of an L-1011 as there
> really isn't an overhead bin.  TWA didn't even flinch when I brought it on.
>

Don't know that this is such a good idea.

Last night I read an article in .risks about a newly common injury on
airplanes -- descriptions of victims concussed to the point of partial
one-side paralysis, etc., from being hit by portable computers dropping
out of the overhead bins.

I'm sure that even before the article, I wouldn't want to sit under one.


Clive Steward


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From: [e-mail] (Roy Smith)
Subject: Getting means and standard deviations out of CricketGraph
Date: 22 May 88 20:36:05 GMT
Organization: Public Health Research Institute, NYC, NY


        Does anybody know how to get mean and standard deviation from
CrickGraph?  You can do Z-scores which CricketGraph defines as (X -
Mean) / Standard_Deviation; it obviously calculates the mean and s.d.
but the damn program won't let you see them!

        What I really want to do is this:  I've got some data sets with several
observations of Y for each X.  I'd like to take the data in the first 4
columns below and generate (as opposed to calculating myself and
entering) the last 2 columns, then do a line plot of X vs. Yavg using
sd-Y for Y error bars.

        X       Y1      Y2      Y3      Yavg    sd-Y

        1       10      10      12      10.67   1.155
        2       20      25      22      22.33   2.517
        3       31      32      30      31.00   1.000

        A similarly useful thing to do would be to get the range of the Ys and
use that for the error bars.  Should I break down and admit that this is
out of CricketGraph's league and get a real spreadsheet?  Another useful
thing would be to have non-symmetric error bars (as in "IBM closed at
14-1/2 with a high of 14-7/8 and a low of 14-3/8").  Any way to make
CricketGraph do that?
--
Roy Smith, System Administrator
Public Health Research Institute
455 First Avenue, New York, NY 10016
{allegra,philabs,cmcl2,rutgers}!phri!roy -or- phri![e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (Marc T. Kaufman)
Subject: Re: SuperMac XP150 drive ??
Date: 23 May 88 04:22:07 GMT
Organization: Stanford University

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Ray Terry)
writes:

>Does anyone out there has signficant experience with (therefore a reaction
>to the new(er) SuperMac XP150 (external hard disk drive)).  I hear that it
>is good, fast, but expensive.

Yes, and yes, and yes.  There are only two problems with it in my
application: 1) it comes up too slowly, so that if there is also an
internal disk, the internal always gets recognized (if you strap the AC
power to a single switch). Thus, I have to turn it on first, and give it
15-20 seconds to spin up before I boot the Mac.

2) It's boot sector cannot handle A/UX partitions... so that you can't
run it in partitioned mode with both A/UX and Mac OS [they are working
on a fix for this one].

Marc Kaufman ([e-mail])


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From: [e-mail] (Stew Rubenstein)
Subject: Re: How can you extend and add on to AppleTalk networks?
Date: 23 May 88 06:05:51 GMT
Organization: Aiken Computation Lab Harvard, Cambridge, MA

Farallon's PhoneNet can be up to 4000 feet of 22 gauge twisted pair. You
can go longer by installing a Repeater or StarController.  Both are
available from Farallon.  I believe you'll still be limited to 32
devices per network.  Farallon Computing Inc., 2150 Kittredge, Berkeley,
CA  94704   415-849-2331.
--
Stew Rubenstein
Cambridge Scientific Computing, Inc.
UUCPnet:    seismo!harvard!rubenstein            CompuServe: 76525,421
Internet:   [e-mail]       MCIMail:    CSC


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From: [e-mail] (Gail Zacharias)
Subject: Re: Anyone using pcl (clos) under Allegro Common Lisp?
Date: 19 May 88 21:41:56 GMT
Organization: A Kindof Entity, Cambridge, MA

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Chris McConnell) writes:
>PCL is fairly portable.  I plan to bring it up in Allegro in the next
>month.  If you accept the most generic implementation, it should
>already run in Allegro.  (In fact, it may even have optimizations
>already since Allegro is really Franz and it already runs in Franz.)

First, let me clear up something here.  I believe the original question
was about Allegro CL for the Mac (which is really Coral Common Lisp) not
about Allegro CL for Unix (which is really Franz Extended Common Lisp).
Franz conditionalizations would certainly not work in Coral or vice
versa.  The two implementations have nothing in common aside from the
name they're being marketed under, and some marketing person deserves an
eternity in hell for causing this confusion.

Secondly, PCL has already been brought up under Coral Common Lisp, with
all the usual optimizations that PCL allows for.  See the "coral-low"
file that comes with PCL.

Finally, regarding the original question - Object Lisp in CCL is not
very efficient as native object systems go, but it IS a native
implementation and is faster than PCL.  So you won't speed up your code
in the short term by going to PCL.  However, in the longer term, Coral
will provide a native implementation of CLOS, which should be more
efficient than Object Lisp (and in any case, Object Lisp will get even
less efficient since we'll probably re-implement it as a compatibility
package on top of CLOS).  So whether you decide to switch now depends on
the relative importance of short-term vs long-term to you...  One
possibility is to stay with Object Lisp but adapt a coding style which
doesn't take advantage of its special features, so as to make future
conversion easier (e.g. maintain a strict distinction between classes
and instances, don't create new instance variables on the fly, etc.).

-- [e-mail]                                              ...!mit-eddie!gz
            Now let's all repeat the non-conformist oath.


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From: [e-mail] (Michael Newbery)
Subject: MPW has trouble with L O N G lines
Date: 18 May 88 21:00:22 GMT
Organization: Computing Serv. Ctr, Victoria Uni., Wellington, New Zealand

I imagine a few of you have discovered this but I just thought I'd raise
it in case Apple feels like fixing it.

MPW does not like very long lines. As example, try editing a
Postscript<n> file created by Clover-F when that file has an Adobe
downloaded font. MPW tries to display a line several kB long and a LONG
pause ensues. It doesn't crash, it just takes time.


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: LightspeedC license
Date: 19 May 88 19:48:38 GMT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Came across this on Compuserve and I thought I'd pass it on.

        #: 9641 S6/Lightspeed C
        19-May-88  06:57:44
        Sb: #9639-Copyright notice
        Fm: Stephen Z. Stein 71500,3326
        To: Gary Kato 76074,1020

Gary -
   Our license agreement requires the citation of THINK Technologies'
copyright if you use any library code for which we provide source. (This
means the C libraries: stdio, unix, storage, etc. and ONLY those
libraries.  You need not cite our copyright for using MacTraps.)  We
feel this is necessary to protect our rights to that source code in the
event that a software author might publish a product that incorporated
the library code without protecting her or his copyright (for instance,
in a "freeware" type of product).  We do not wish the library code to
become "public domain".
   Because of this,  we will amend this section of the licensing
agreement for software authors that agree to copyright their work and
defend that copyright if it is challenged.  In this case, we will not
require a notice in the about box or on the disk label - only a notice
in the manual, if there is a manual.
   We have a form for this agreement.  To obtain the form, please write
to:
   LSC License Agreement Waiver
   Symantec Corp. THINK Technologies Div.
   135 South Road
   Bedford, MA 01730

- Steve Stein, Symantec/THINK
--
Jerry Whitnell
[e-mail]
...!sun!cup.portal.com!jwhitnell

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